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Impressions from the private workouts of Winston and Mariota

The Buccaneers concluded their private workouts with Oregon’s Marcus Mariota and Florida State’s Jameis Winston. They will continue to work some guys out but the pick will be a quarterback — in this case Winston.

How so? Based on everything TheBayCave.com has gathered for months, nothing has led me to believe otherwise, especially in the last 48 hours or so. With that said, here are some noteworthy pieces of information from what I came away with recently coming from the workouts of Mariota and Winston.

  • There are members of the Buccaneers offensive coaching staff that do like Marcus Mariota including offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter and quarterbacks coach Mike Bajakian.
  • Koetter solicited the staff to study Mariota some more. Thanks in part to his conversations with good friend Mark Helfrich, Oregon’s head coach.
  • Mariota’s workout lasted longer. The team had several plays for him from under center. While the Bucs came away decently pleased with how he performed based on what they gave him, there were some minor struggles from the potential first-round pick. He did “OK” during the meeting part.
  • Winston’s camp would like “confirmation from the Bucs soon on their decision for the No. 1 pick. Tampa Bay is aware. Just like an applicant interviewing for a job, Winston is merely following up with the team.
  • The team was as impressed with Winston during his workout as they were before, hitting on everything the Bucs gave him — field work, meeting, etc.
  • There is a consensus among several scouts and the coaching staff (including Koetter and Bajakian) that Winston has a higher floor and greater potential than Mariota.
  • Nothing has changed the opinion of general manager Jason Licht and head coach Lovie Smith for Jameis Winston as they still are leaning his way. But there is a slight difference and that is the margin of Smith’s appreciation for Winston to Mariota is much larger.
  • A decision on who they will officially draft will come well before April 30. Whether that decision will be made public is unknown — doubtful in my opinion. However, I will say this, if Winston cancels workouts in the coming weeks, then that’s how you will know that he is the pick, similar to Andrew Luck’s situation from a couple years ago with Indianapolis.
  • Only thing that will prevent a Winston and Buccaneers marriage is a mistake from the 21-year old. If there is one, the door will open for anything, including UCLA quarterback Brett Hundley later in the draft.

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50 Comments on Impressions from the private workouts of Winston and Mariota

Relaxedmike said : Guest Report one year ago

vicbarney1 Relaxedmike the coyote  As fans, we don't have a choice. We must go with whomever the coaches pick and play. I'm a real Bucs fan. Have been since my dad and I went thru those inaugural losing seasons. We went to every home game. Course, the tickets were..dirt cheap then!!  But I do think Glennon  is quite serviceable and could start if we got..a decent O line. Its why I've been a proponent of the trade down..which won't happen.

vicbarney1 said : Guest Report one year ago

Relaxedmike the coyote vicbarney1  I'll stick with Glennon at this time...

Relaxedmike said : Guest Report one year ago

the coyote Relaxedmike vicbarney1  WE still have 8 picks according to the official TBB website. WE gave Detroit one of our two 5th rders. We still have a 162nd pick left in the 5th. That brings us a total of 8 picks still left. One in each round with 2 in the 7th. One of those 7th rd picks comes from Detroit. IF..Johnson has improved as much as TB thinks he has and he is hungry to keep an NFL job, then the trade was well worth it. God knows we need some sacks and hurries on defense.

the coyote said : Guest Report one year ago

Relaxedmike the coyote vicbarney1 Are you sure it was just one fifth round pick  I had thought it was two fifth round picks and we only had a total of seven picks through out. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Relaxedmike said : Guest Report one year ago

the coyote Relaxedmike vicbarney1  Not a bad deal. Johnson is playing better. And we only gave up one 5th rder.. We still have 8 picks left. And If the Bucs believe in Winston, we gotta roll with it also. Looking at our history, We have done much worse in the past.

vicbarney1 said : Guest Report one year ago

Relaxedmike the coyote vicbarney1  Well, we'll just have to wait and see if he's the 1st Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana, Tom Brady etc. of his race, won't we?

the coyote said : Guest Report one year ago

Relaxedmike Luvbucs28 I have never said Marcus had a smarter football I.Q. and what I mean is that Marcus is a smart talented Q.B. but i have said that i thought Marcus is a better Q.B. ( my opinion )  And he is smart enough to keep himself out of trouble. But if you look at stats Marcus stats are better then Jamies maybe that is what you may have thought I was saying. And I would like you to know I am not any smarter then you or anyone else. I just write my own opinion that's all. I am very sorry if you thought that i think like that I don't. We all have are opinions and beliefs but that doesn't make anyone of us any smarter then another. I hope you understand what am trying to say because i do injoy reading your opinions on any matters of are team that it is very important to both of us. I think we can agree that we just want are team to start wining games again.

the coyote said : Guest Report one year ago

Relaxedmike vicbarney1 the coyote Well trading down will not happen. And it gets worse. Lovie just traded two 5th round picks for George Johnson so now we only have a total of 5 picks in this draft. Lovie and Jason will not trade down so we will have to deal with Winston.

Relaxedmike said : Guest Report one year ago

vicbarney1 the coyote Relaxedmike  I'm not 100% anything or anybody except a tradedown to get many players of the Sapp/Brooks/Lynch quality. I think Winston will do just fine with Koetter overseeing his development. Mariota is going to be good. I just think its going to take him a yr or 2 to get adjusted. And WE (Bucs) don't have that time. We need wins..Now!!

Relaxedmike said : Guest Report one year ago

the coyote Relaxedmike vicbarney1  Allegations are all they are. Bucs Mngt and owners have done their homework on Winston. If he is our selection..so be it. I will pull for him and the Bucs. Same with Mariota or whomever. I only want wins..no matter the cost!! They accuse Bellichek of cheating. But he is still a champion as are his Patriots. I'm in favor of  trading  down and additional solid foundational picks with Glennon starting. It ain't happening!!  Winston/ Mariota/ or Felix the cat!! I don't care. Win Bucs..by any means necessary!!! GO BUCS.

vicbarney1 said : Guest Report one year ago

the coyote Relaxedmike vicbarney1  And history usually repeats itself too! I'm just saying...p.s. I'm 100% Mariota over Winston myself, but remember this IS the also ran tampa bay bucs, remember?

the coyote said : Guest Report one year ago

Relaxedmike vicbarney1 The problem I have with this is now there is two woman coming forward against Winston. And what happens if they go through and press charges and I'm sure they will. But if they take it to court and they find him guilty then what happens to are team ? we lose are Q.B. we lose are first pick and we lose even more games. Is it really worth it to take a chance like that? At least with Marcus Mariota we know what we have on and off the field. Yes a person is innocent until guilty but if they take this to court after the draft once again are team ends up on the losing end. Is it worth it to you or are team?

Relaxedmike said : Guest Report one year ago

Luvbucs28  Perhaps I missed the news this week. Correct me if I am wrong however. Jamis Winston has not been indicted, found guilty of, adjudicated nor booked for the crime of rape. Mike Mayock is the same nobody who has been wrong on QB's for the last few yrs. Goo back and look at his past so called, Elevations. An overwhelming number of professional sports evaluators have Winston FAR ahead of Mr. Marcus. I notice you keep sayin Smarter. Yet there is no evidence to support this Smarter Football IQ you elude to. You might be..smarter than me? But your postings sure don't indicate it!!

Relaxedmike said : Guest Report one year ago

vicbarney1  Nobody knows for sure. A lot of factors have to come together for both QB's to be successful. Like I've said before..Best move our team made in the offseason was the hiring of Koetter as the OC. I like the way he sets up his offense to make plays. And his system is QB friendly. Winston has not been found guilty, indicted or adjudicated on anything involving rape. Therefore according to our system of laws the man is innocent. He admitted he stole them crab legs though!! With proper mentoring and coaching, he has all of the tools. And he definitely appears NFL ready. Mariotta may take a little more time, He's got the tools as well. But we don't have time. We need wins..now!! The Bucs will stick with Winston. He's a home state product and an ex Seminole who has played well. Lets give the kid a chance. Yes, he has the potential to get right up there with the best.  I'm gonna pull for him and whomever else our Bucs select. Kinda simple with me..I'm a Bucs fan for life!!!

vicbarney1 said : Guest Report one year ago

the coyote vicbarney1  I agree with all you say, but watch...

vicbarney1 said : Guest Report one year ago

the coyote vicbarney1 Luvbucs28  STILL... You are RIGHT-ON! However, after following Tampa Bay since I worked and a friend at work who was Tampa Bay's Defensive End Greg Spires mother(0i.e., "Shelvy"), I have become more than ever very upset with this franchise, especially when Greg also was let go! I've developed the conclusion some teams are just "allowed" to be winning franchises e.g., New York Yankees in baseball and others not! I'm just saying what I think....

the coyote said : Guest Report one year ago

vicbarney1 the coyote Luvbucs28 Everything is subject to change. This might be the time for change here in Tampa Bay. But there is a chance that you are right but I hope not. The Bucs are working on both sides of the ball but it will take time for it to come together. If Lovie has a brain he will draft Marcus Mariota ( IF ). I can see Marcus throwing to Vincent Jackson and Mike Evans. I think that both T.E.  A.S.J. and R.B. Charlies Sims having a brake out year. And the defense should be better. Who knows Maybe it's just me being a fan and being in denial about it. But I have to hope for the best to come. But to be totally honest with you I am slowly losing faith in Lovie Smith. As a true fan one last thing and I'll stop wasting your time reading this and that is : GO BUCCANEERS...

the coyote said : Guest Report one year ago

vicbarney1 Jamies Winston name shouldn't be in the same sentence as these great Q.B.'s that you talked about. But I can see Marcus Mariota some day being in that group of Q.B. but you are right no one can know for sure. Who knows by this time next year there is a good chance Jamies Winston will be in jail. I don't know if you have heard yet but another woman came out accusing Jamies of rape and now both woman have attorneys. This is going to be a P.R. nightmare. Lets just hope that Lovie does the right thing. As far as these woman shame on them if there lying about such a serious charge. This can ruin a man life. But if he did do it these woman may have problems for the rest of there lives. As far as I'm concerned Jamies Winston is not worth the risk. There is so many ways this can go wrong for the intiire Buccaneers organization. Plus I truly believe Marcus Mariota is the best pick for Tampa Bay. He is the better Q.B. If Lovie sticks with Jamies we will be in for a lot of trouble.

vicbarney1 said : Guest Report one year ago

the coyote Luvbucs28  Although, in my mind by Tampa Bay history, Tampa Bay will settle for 2nd or 3rd best again and continue to remain just another NFL franchise that plays just another NFL "football game" every week....

the coyote said : Guest Report one year ago

Luvbucs28 Very well said. Marcus Mariota is the better choice here in Tampa Bay. He is a Q.B. that fans and teammates can be proud of for many years to come. With Winston we don't know from day to day what kind of trouble he will get into. One more thing is these rape allegations now there is yet another woman coming forward accusing him. They both have attorneys and must likely try and wait till Jamies gets drafted. These attorneys are smart. And Jamies own attorney says he is not ready to play in the NFL. these are all bad signs that we can end up without a franchise Q.B. if they infact take him to court and win that means again the Bucs lose and the fans lose. It's just not worth the chance. Marcus Mariota should be are next Q.B.

vicbarney1 said : Guest Report one year ago

Only one thing is certain folks, "only time' will tell, but do you honestly believe that Jameis Winston will become the next Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, or New England's Tom Brady and Mariota can't become such? Well, we'll soon find out folks if Tampa Bay can really become a winning franchise as Montana, Bradshaw, or Brady have historically created, or just continue to be an just "another" NFL Team franchise that plays football every week, as most NFL franchise's historically have reflected...

Luvbucs28 said : Guest Report one year ago

I just can't see this big of an opportunity passing us by. So he doesn't immediately fit our system unlike FSU who's been implementing a Pro style offense -what is the expectations of the typical Bucsfan ? Playoffs ? Well mine is just slow - fast would be better , steady - but solid - foundation building , ( Lovie Smith's record has him taking ab 3 yrs to turn around time ) them MM will have learned the system - we still have Glennon for the year , why not focus on the smarter , better all around wiser choice Heisman Trophy winner

Luvbucs28 said : Guest Report one year ago

I think you should look at who's the better athlete- he's already faster - more athletic than Winston - who's camp better just back off- ,Mike Mayock just elevated Marcus to his number one QB over all because of studying the poor decision making putting FSU in bad situations time after time. Do whatever it takes to make an unbiased opinion & look to who is the best athlete over all - including decision making on & off the field

JBo_87 said : Guest Report one year ago

GilArciaTBC @ curious why bucs haven't showed interest in Welker? We need or are looking for a slot right?!?

JoeBucsFan.com » Blog Archive » When Workouts Don’t Matter - Tampa Bay Bucs Blog, Buccaneers News said : Guest Report one year ago

[…] a good tip off if the Bucs have reached their decision might be found in the coming days. Joe will let Arcia take it from […]

ND1Bucsfan said : Guest Report one year ago

GilArciaTBC Jason cole saying same thing

kmmelch said : Guest Report one year ago

GilArciaTBC ND1Bucsfan DraftAuthority BucsBulletin Gil, I highly respect that you state just facts in your article, great stuff!

ND1Bucsfan said : Guest Report one year ago

GilArciaTBC Why people report inaccurate info just to get everyone in frenzy?

ND1Bucsfan said : Guest Report one year ago

GilArciaTBC Yeah cuz I remember u tweeting ownership was okay with either choice, so basically nothing has changed and JW still pick?

GilArciaTBC said : Guest Report one year ago

ND1Bucsfan They were actually reporting a report. Yahoo's Charles Robinson wrote the story of a divided ownership group. Not fact.

ND1Bucsfan said : Guest Report one year ago

GilArciaTBC Talking about not being sold on JW? Profootball talk mentioned CommishOnline mentioned owner to make call and may not be sold.

GilArciaTBC said : Guest Report one year ago

ND1Bucsfan The passing on Winston and taking Mariota.

ND1Bucsfan said : Guest Report one year ago

GilArciaTBC Sorry which part?

GilArciaTBC said : Guest Report one year ago

ND1Bucsfan where did you read/hear that at anyways?

ND1Bucsfan said : Guest Report one year ago

GilArciaTBC Yeah suppose just dumb just come out and announce Winston as pick and let's get it over with.

GilArciaTBC said : Guest Report one year ago

.ND1Bucsfan For the same reasons they swore last year Manziel would be the Bucs pick... Oops!

ND1Bucsfan said : Guest Report one year ago

GilArciaTBC then why all this coming out all the sudden other teams trying to smokescreen or what know u probably don't know but don't get?

Peps5971 said : Guest Report one year ago

GilArciaTBC great article buddy!!!!

Relaxedmike said : Guest Report one year ago

Winston may be more NFL ready at this time. But that says nothing for the long haul. Heck, I'm a little more heaven ready than most..until you note..my drinking!!!  Despite my wanting the trade down, Winston will be the pick. And I cannot say it will be a disaster. The kid has moxy.  And he's gonna need every bit of it. I do get the feeling Koetter and the QB coach will cut down on his interceptions. I got more faith in Koetter than I do in Lovie. If Lovie can just bring back our Defense....I'll give Winston a chance. Just keep him focused on football.

ProducingDave said : Guest Report one year ago

GilArciaTBC Spot on Gil. And thanks for keeping us updated on Winston and Mariota. You and CommishOnline are the best. Hope all is well.

the coyote said : Guest Report one year ago

Yes Lovie Smith is top dog he has more say so and more power then G.M. Jason Lincht . Lovie is a defensive minded coach and doesn't know how to build a offense. So he needs to put his pride aside for the sake of the team. If it was up to both O.C. Dirk Koetter and Q.B.'s coach Mike Banjakian they would draft Marcus Mariota over Jamies Winston I do know this as a fact. But with Lovie Smith in charge of all final decisions. If Lovie had ant sense he would listen to the coach's that know how to build up a offense. But Lovie has to much power and pride and if you don't do what he wants you WILL get fired. Jamies Winston will be the next Q.B. for the BUCCANEERS and that will back fire pretty quickly. As a Buc fan i need to get over the fact that Lovie will pick the wrong Q.B. in this draft with that said i hope that he does better on his picks in the later rounds but from all I've seen and heard that won't happen. Lovie Smith is not the coach i thought he was. I really thought he was a good coach and would do good things for us fans and for the team. As of right now i don't see this team doing much better ( if any ) then last season. But being a huge Bucs fan i can onlt hope and pray for are team.  " GO BUCCANEERS "

thebaycave said : Guest Report one year ago

txbuc TheShaz Confirmed he is in town today. However, he is NOT meeting with the Bucs.

txbuc said : Guest Report one year ago

TheShaz Tallahasse isn't a great airport, so it's not uncommon to fly south before flying North from Tampa, Orlando, even Fort Lauderdale.

TheShaz said : Guest Report one year ago

If Jaboo indeed is headed or by now is in Tampa.....I do not think by NFL Rules he can visit 1 Buc Place until he is deafted (correct me on this). If that is the case - what else could he be doing? If Jameis goes to check out 7th Ave in Ybor - BAD If Jameis goes to Century 21 house or Apt hunting - GOOD If Jameis goes to meet with local pastors - GOOD If Jameis even looks at Mons Venus or Odyssey 2001 - HAVE A MELT DOWN If Jameis goes to check out the local fishing - OK If he ends up at The Ice Palace(Amalie Area) to see the Bolts play - GOOD

BucWillie250 said : Guest Report one year ago

GilArciaTBC Don't think Mayock is going to like this article Gil.Lol!

bravesdude1976 said : Guest Report one year ago

iAmLocoOcho Just retweeted it. Go to my page and look at retweets.

iAmLocoOcho said : Guest Report one year ago

bravesdude1976 link? where did you see or read this???

bravesdude1976 said : Guest Report one year ago

Plizott9 GilArciaTBC Yes, Winston. You know what my mind is thinking (contract details). But might still be 2 early.

Plizott9 said : Guest Report one year ago

bravesdude1976 GilArciaTBC Winston?

bravesdude1976 said : Guest Report one year ago

GilArciaTBC I saw that he was on a plane this morning heading to Tampa. Any idea what that is about Gil?

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